Tag: Sourcing Agent

  • Your Sourcing Agent Just Saved You From 4 Disasters. You’ll Never Know, and That’s the Problem.

    Your Sourcing Agent Just Saved You From 4 Disasters. You’ll Never Know, and That’s the Problem.

    Your container arrives. The parts are right, the welds are clean, and the finish matches the sample. You sign for it, mark the project “done,” and move on to the next SKU.

    Nobody sends a thank-you note for a disaster that didn’t happen.

    I want to walk you through one recent project to show you what you didn’t see. A buyer found a small metal fabrication factory on Alibaba. The factory looked sharp online, the communication was professional, and the reviews were solid. We got involved before the PO was placed and walked the factory floor with the buyer. It was a small team in a big workshop, with plenty of space for a bulky product. Everything checked out.

    Then production started.

    What a factory visit can and can’t tell you

    A factory visit answers one question: do they have the equipment?

    It does not answer the question that actually decides your outcome: do they have a system?

    Equipment is something you can see. A system only shows up when something goes wrong. Here is what showed up over the next few weeks.

    Surprise #1: There was nobody to read the drawing

    Normally, we send the factory an English drawing. The factory’s engineer reviews it, converts it into a Chinese version the workers can read at a glance, and sends it back for us and the buyer to confirm.

    This factory had no engineer, so there was nothing to convert.

    So we drew it ourselves: a production-ready Chinese version, checked by us and confirmed by the buyer. If we hadn’t had in-house engineering, the options were to outsource the drawing to a third party or hand workers a drawing they couldn’t use.

    Surprise #2: Nobody noticed the drawing contradicted itself

    Drawings are not perfect. Sometimes two dimensions conflict, or one detail is ambiguous. A factory with real engineering capability catches this before cutting steel, with a simple message: “Page 2 says X, page 4 says Y. Which one is it?”

    This factory caught nothing. The contradictions only surfaced after parts were made, which is the most expensive moment to find out.

    Surprise #3: Everything depended on one worker’s line marking

    There were no jigs or fixtures, and nothing to physically stop a worker from welding in the wrong place. Welding and assembly depended entirely on an experienced worker scribing lines and following them.

    On the line, we found two welds in the wrong place. The worker’s marking was correct. Left and right were simply swapped. Every unit was supposed to be welded on the right side, and two had been welded on the left.

    This is the problem with having no error-proofing: it puts the entire result on one person’s attention, on one afternoon. Everyone makes mistakes eventually, and good systems are built assuming they will.

    Surprise #4: “We were just trying to help”

    This is the one that should worry every buyer.

    During the inspection, our QC found that the factory had changed the product without telling anyone. There was an opening in the design, and they had closed it off with a cover.

    When we asked about it, the answer came without hesitation: “We saw an open gap, so we covered it for you. We were being helpful.”

    They were sincere, and that’s exactly what makes it dangerous.

    An unapproved change made with good intentions is still an unapproved change. That opening could have been there for ventilation, drainage, access, or compliance. It could have been there because the buyer’s customer specified it. The factory couldn’t know, and it didn’t ask.

    If we hadn’t been on site that day, the unit would have gone into the carton, then the container, then the buyer’s warehouse. The buyer would have learned about it from a customer complaint or an Amazon review.

    This isn’t about bad factories

    I want to be clear about what this story is not.

    This factory wasn’t dishonest. The people there worked hard, and they were not trying to cheat anyone. Most small factories are like this.

    What they lack is a system around the skill. Many small factories are excellent at making things. What they don’t have is the layer between “customer sends a drawing” and “worker starts cutting”: someone to review, question, convert, and confirm. Without that layer, experience and intuition fill the gap. On a standard product, that works. On a custom product built to someone else’s drawing, intuition quietly becomes a quality risk.

    Someone has to provide that layer. Either the factory has it, or your agent does.

    The part nobody sees

    Think about the last time you were healthy. You didn’t notice it or appreciate it. It was just how things were. You only understand its value after you get sick.

    Sourcing works the same way.

    When the product arrives on time and to spec, the buyer sees a normal outcome. They don’t see the drawing we rebuilt, the contradiction we caught, the two welds we flagged, or the cover we removed. The better the agent does the job, the less visible the job becomes.

    That creates a strange trap: the agents who prevent the most problems are the easiest to undervalue.

    So when you evaluate an agent, don’t only ask “what did you deliver?” Ask “what did you stop?”

    What to look for

    • In-house engineers. Someone who can produce and check drawings, and who is not a freelancer you’ll never meet.
    • In-house QC inspecting during production. Final inspection finds problems after the work is done. Inline inspection finds them while they can still be fixed.
    • Physical presence. An office and warehouse nearby, so someone can be on the floor the same day.
    • A track record. Years of continuous operation mean they’ve seen these failures before and know where to look.

    And one question worth asking any agent you’re considering: “What was the last serious problem you caught at a factory before it shipped?”

    A good agent will answer immediately and in detail. If they can’t, they probably haven’t caught one, or they weren’t there to see it.

    The best compliment a sourcing agent can get is silence.


    About the author: Thomas is the founder of TOM Sourcing, a U.S.-registered sourcing and quality control agency with its own office and warehouse in China, serving brands in the US and EU since 2020.

  • Factory-Direct or Trading Company? You’re Asking the Wrong Question

    Factory-Direct or Trading Company? You’re Asking the Wrong Question

    “Factory direct only. No middleman. No trading companies.”

    If you have read enough sourcing requests, you have seen this line more than once. The assumption behind it is always the same. A middleman is one more layer, and one more layer means one more markup.

    But ask yourself something first. Does a factory’s salesperson work for free? Salary, commission, the office they sit in: all of it is already inside the factory’s quote. You are paying for a sales layer either way. The real question is whether that layer is doing its job.

    An order is a game of telephone

    When you place an order, your instruction does not go straight to the machine. It travels: you, then the salesperson (or trading company), then the factory manager, then the engineer, then the workers on the line.

    Every handoff is a chance to lose something. You have played this game as a kid, and the lesson is the same here: the more hands a message passes through, the less it resembles what you said.

    Customers make mistakes. Factories make mistakes. A competent salesperson or trading company exists to reduce the total number of mistakes, not to pass messages along.

    The most important seat in the chain

    That is why the salesperson sits in the most important seat. They stand in the middle of the information chain, and they have to face two directions at once.

    Looking up, toward the customer, they must understand the product and the business well enough to hear what the customer actually means, not just what the email literally says. Without real industry experience and technical grounding, this is genuinely hard. A buyer writes “same as the sample, but more durable,” and someone without the background does not know whether that means a thicker material, a different stitching, or a different test standard.

    Looking down, toward production, they must know the manufacturing process well enough to check every link. Did the factory manager understand the instruction? Did the engineer turn it into the right drawing and process? Did the worker on the line actually build it that way? Someone has to follow the instruction all the way down and confirm it landed.

    None of this depends on whether the company is a factory or a trading company. It depends on whether the person in that seat takes responsibility for it.

    A “successful” factory that nobody was watching

    Here is a real example. We worked with a small factory: about a dozen workers, a 5,000 square meter plant, output of around 10 containers a month. By the standards of this industry, that is a successful operation.

    The plant sits in the suburbs. The sales office is downtown, with three to five salespeople working in it. The drive between the two is about 20 minutes. This is not a case of a salesperson stuck in another city.

    On our first order together, a key material was never followed up. Nobody chased it. Delivery slipped by 25%.

    Later, our inspector spent several days inside the factory carrying out inspections. In all that time, he never saw a single salesperson on the floor.

    The factory had a division of labor. Sales took the orders, production made the goods. But nobody owned the gap between the two, and the gap is exactly where orders go wrong.

    Division of labor is not accountability

    This is the pattern behind that story. A salesperson is usually measured on winning orders, not on delivering them cleanly. Inside the factory, each person owns one segment. Nobody owns the whole chain. So a missing material or a misread drawing gets handed from desk to desk, and it only becomes visible when it is too late to fix cheaply.

    Someone has to live on the factory floor

    In that case, our sourcing agent ended up at the factory every day. He worked alongside the foremen, checked product quality, and reported progress back to us. In other words, he did the follow-up the factory’s own sales team did not do.

    That is why I tell buyers who insist on dealing directly with the factory to think again. Cutting out the middle layer only makes sense if the factory’s own sales layer is doing the job. When it is not, a sourcing agent who takes responsibility can be worth more than the “direct” relationship you were trying to protect.

    How to tell who is really covering your order

    Whether you are talking to a factory salesperson, a trading company, or a sourcing agent, a few questions cut through the title:

    • Can they describe your product’s key materials and critical processes without checking with someone?
    • Do they show up on site when your goods are being inspected?
    • When something goes wrong, do they tell you first, or do you find out yourself?
    • Are confirmations at each step recorded, or only promised?

    The short version

    Stop sorting suppliers by their business license. Sort them by one question: when something goes wrong in the middle of the chain, who is standing there?

  • The Factory With Great Salespeople and No Engineer

    The Factory With Great Salespeople and No Engineer

    You’re on a call with a small factory. The sales lead knows the market cold. She talks about tolerances, materials, and finishing options like someone who has spent years on the shop floor. You hang up thinking: these people know what they’re doing.

    Then the project starts, and something odd happens. Every technical question takes days to answer. The person you’ve been talking to doesn’t answer it. She passes it along, and the answer comes back second-hand.

    Eventually you realize there is no engineer at this factory. There isn’t a technician either. The best communicator in the building is a very good messenger.

    How a small factory is actually built

    Before anyone gets self-righteous: this is not a scandal. It’s a common and perfectly rational structure.

    A technically capable owner starts a workshop. A few salespeople bring in customers. A handful of skilled core workers do the delicate jobs. Everyone else is temporary labor that scales up and down with orders. No full-time engineer, because orders are unstable and a salary is a fixed cost that arrives whether or not the orders do.

    I don’t blame anyone for building it this way. The question is what it does to your order.

    “The owner handles the technical side” is not the same thing

    The usual answer is that the owner covers the technical work. That is true, and it isn’t the same as having a technical department. Two things are different.

    Depth. Someone who does technical work part-time works at a part-time level. Most owners are competent. Few are specialists in your product’s failure modes.

    Time. An owner is also the one chasing payments, negotiating with suppliers, and managing customers. Technical questions come last, and production doesn’t wait for the queue. When you ask something at 10 AM and get an answer two days later, the line has already made a decision without you.

    Who checks the checker?

    Now follow the same logic to quality control.

    If a factory has no technical function, its QC is usually whoever supervises the workers. That’s the foreman.

    There’s nothing wrong with a foreman. But think about what’s happening: the same team makes the product, decides whether it passes, and reports the result. It’s like a student setting their own exam, answering it, and grading it. The score may be honest. There’s simply no cross-check to prove it.

    Real QC isn’t about being stricter. It’s about not sharing an incentive with the people who made the product.

    The line item that never shows up on the quote

    Here’s the reframe I use with clients.

    The price of a product should include a technical cost and a QC cost. Even in months when the engineer does nothing visible, that cost is doing something important.

    Think of it as an insurance premium. When production is smooth, the policy looks wasteful. Nobody is filing a claim. But the day something uncontrolled happens, such as a dimension drifting, a material batch behaving differently, or a drawing revision arriving mid-run, you find out what the premium bought: someone who can diagnose it and act on it that day.

    A quote without that line item isn’t cheaper. The risk has been moved off the factory’s books and onto yours, and you only see it when the claim comes due.

    Not every small factory is like this, so verify

    Some small factories do employ full-time technical staff and independent QC. Their pricing looks different for exactly that reason. So don’t assume, and check. It takes about ten minutes.

    Step 1: Ask online, plainly. “Who handles technical issues on your side? Is it the owner part-time, or a full-time engineer?” Keep the tone friendly. How fast and how specifically they answer is already information.

    Step 2: If they say yes, verify on site. Look for these signs:

    • The workstation. Engineering desks are easy to recognize. You’ll see calipers or micrometers and a multimeter within reach, and drawings open on the monitor instead of a chat window or a price list. A working desk tends to look worked-in, so a very tidy one is worth a second look.
    • A live technical question. Ask one in person. Does an engineer step forward, or does a salesperson translate for someone who isn’t in the room?
    • Records. Ask to see a past inspection report or a change record, and who wrote it.
    • Presence. If something went wrong on the line right now, who could be there in five minutes?

    No single sign is proof. Several together are a pattern.

    What you’re really choosing

    The real choice is not big factory versus small factory. Many small factories make excellent products. The real question is whether someone independent sits in the gap between “we can make it” and “it’s right,” and whether that person has the technical depth to catch a problem before it ships.

    Sometimes the factory fills that gap. Sometimes the buyer does, or a buyer-side agent that pools technical support, QC, and volume across several factories, which is how some small-batch costs come down without touching quality or lead time.

    Either way, remember this the next time a quote looks unusually low: it may simply be the one that left out the person who would have caught the problem.

  • What Do You Really Expect Your Sourcing Agent to Do When Defects Are Found on the Line?

    What Do You Really Expect Your Sourcing Agent to Do When Defects Are Found on the Line?

    Picture this: you’re standing on a factory floor in China, mid-production run, and you spot it — a batch-level defect. Not one bad piece. A pattern.

    What happens next?

    If you’ve watched enough factory-tour videos or read enough “quality control” case studies, you might picture a certain kind of drama: someone slamming a sample onto the table, raising their voice at the line workers, demanding the line stop immediately. Loud. Visible. Decisive-looking.

    It makes for a good video clip. It is almost never what a professional does.

    Performance Is Not Quality Control

    Here’s the uncomfortable truth: shouting at production line workers doesn’t fix anything. It disrupts factory order, damages the working relationship, and signals something the person doing it probably doesn’t intend to signal — that they don’t actually understand how a factory operates.

    Line workers are not decision-makers. They execute instructions from above. If a batch of product shows a systemic defect, that is not a worker failing to do their job — it’s a management or communication failure somewhere upstream. Yelling at the person standing at the workstation is yelling at the wrong address.

    A professional inspector doesn’t need to perform outrage to prove they take quality seriously. In fact, the opposite is true: composure under pressure is itself a signal of competence. Clients aren’t paying for theater. They’re paying for judgment.

    The Real Question: Who’s Standing Next to You?

    Before deciding what to do, there’s a prior question that shapes everything: are you alone, or is someone accompanying you on the floor?

    If a factory representative is present — whether that’s the factory manager, a QC lead, or a line supervisor — the right move is immediate, direct communication with that person. Let them escalate through their own internal channel. This is their factory, their team, their process. The inspector’s job is to flag the issue clearly and let the factory apply its own corrective mechanism.

    If no one is accompanying you, the instinct to “grab someone’s attention” — a raised voice, a dramatic gesture — is exactly the wrong instinct. The correct move is quieter and more disciplined: document. Photos. Video. Timestamped evidence of the defect, as found, before anything can be altered or explained away. That evidence then goes straight to the factory’s business contact — not to the workers on the line.

    Two very different situations. Two very different correct responses. What stays constant is what a professional inspector never does: engage the line workers directly, or attempt to manage the factory’s internal process themselves.

    Why Not Just Talk to the Workers Directly?

    Because it’s not their call to make, and it’s not the inspector’s job to make it for them either.

    A sourcing agent standing on that floor is not there as an extension of the factory’s management. They’re there as a representative of the buyer’s interests — a third party whose role is to identify where something in the factory’s system broke down, not to step in and run the fix themselves.

    That distinction matters more than it might sound. The moment an inspector starts directing workers, reassigning tasks, or improvising a solution on the spot, they’ve quietly crossed from “identifying a problem” into “managing the factory” — a role that was never theirs to begin with, and one that erodes the very independence a buyer is relying on them for.

    The job is narrower, and harder, than it looks: find the gap. Document it. Route it to the right person. Then let the factory’s own management structure close that gap — because it’s their structure, and their accountability, to own.

    What This Actually Looks Like in Practice

    Strip away the drama, and the real workflow is almost anticlimactic:

    • Spot the issue.
    • Identify who’s actually accompanying you, if anyone, and route the finding to the right level — a factory rep on-site, or the business contact if you’re alone.
    • Preserve evidence before anything can shift.
    • Let the factory investigate and correct through its own internal process.

    No shouting. No stopped lines by decree. No inspector playing factory manager for the afternoon.

    It’s less cinematic than the version some clients might picture. It’s also the version that actually protects their interests — because it keeps accountability exactly where it belongs, on the factory’s side, while giving the buyer a clean, documented record of exactly what happened and when.

    The next time you think about what you want from an inspection on your production floor, it’s worth asking: do you want someone who looks like they’re taking control? Or someone who quietly makes sure the right people take responsibility?


    About TOM Sourcing

    TOM Sourcing is a U.S.-registered, China-based sourcing agency operating its own office and warehouse in Shanghai since 2020. As a self-operated import/export entity — not a trading company — TOM Sourcing represents buyer-side interests exclusively, backed by in-house engineers, QC inspectors, logistics staff, and merchandisers who understand factory operations from the inside out.

  • “We Don’t Want Middlemen” — Then Why Are You Hiring One?

    “We Don’t Want Middlemen” — Then Why Are You Hiring One?

    I saw a job posting on freelancer platform last week that I can’t stop thinking about.

    An Amazon seller — stainless steel shakers and water bottles, fast-growing brand — was hiring a sourcing agent. The post opened with a warning, underlined in spirit if not in font:

    “We are NOT looking for generic middlemen, freight forwarders, or virtual assistants who simply forward Alibaba links.”

    Good. That’s the right instinct. Somewhere in this founder’s past, a “sourcing agent” cost them money, time, or a shipment of bottles with lids that didn’t seal. They’d learned the lesson everyone in this industry eventually learns: most people calling themselves sourcing agents are just forwarding you a supplier’s WeChat and taking a cut.

    So they wrote a better job post. A much better one. Factory vetting. ISO9001 and BSCI audits. FDA and LFGB compliance. FOB/EXW negotiation. A comparative matrix of 3–5 vetted suppliers. On-site pre-shipment inspection. This is what a sourcing job description looks like when someone has actually been burned.

    And then, three lines down, under “Ideal Background,” is the sentence that undoes everything above it:

    “On-the-ground or direct factory network in major metalware hubs.”

    Read that again. They spent the whole post explaining why they don’t want someone who just leans on a factory relationship. And then they asked for someone whose main qualification is… a factory relationship.

    That’s not a contradiction buried in the fine print. That’s the whole problem, restated as a requirement.

    The C-end instinct that doesn’t survive contact with a factory

    Here’s what I think is actually happening. This founder built a brand selling on Amazon. Their entire commercial instinct was formed on the buyer side of a marketplace where the customer is, functionally, always right — Amazon’s return policy, Best Buy’s price match, the whole architecture of consumer retail is built to make the buyer feel powerful.

    Then they go looking for a factory, and they bring that instinct with them. They expect responsiveness. They expect the factory to compete for their attention the way an app competes for a five-star review.

    It doesn’t work that way, and it’s not because Chinese factories are rude or difficult. It’s because a factory’s attention is a finite resource, and it flows toward whoever represents the most order volume and the least friction. Unless you’re a big-box retailer with real leverage, you are not, by default, the most important call on that factory’s list. That’s not an insult. It’s just how production capacity gets allocated.

    Building a supply chain that can compete for that attention takes two things, in a specific order. First, volume — the actual commercial weight that makes a factory prioritize you. Second, relationship — the ongoing communication that turns a one-time PO into a stable, well-run production line. You cannot skip step one and rent your way into step two. But that’s exactly what this job post is trying to do.

    Whose relationship is it, actually?

    So here’s the question this founder never quite asks, even though it’s the only question that matters: who is going to maintain the relationship with the factory? Is it the client — or is it the sourcing agent they’re about to hire?

    If the answer is “the agent, using his existing factory network,” then think about what that network actually is. Nobody builds a deep, responsive relationship with a metalware factory by representing buyers who show up once. That kind of access is built the way all long relationships in manufacturing are built — over years, through repeat orders, through being useful to the factory over and over again. Which means the agent’s network wasn’t built serving this client. It was built serving the factory’s sales pipeline.

    Put an agent like that in the room, and functionally, he is the factory’s salesman wearing a different badge. That’s not a technicality — it’s a structural fact about where his leverage and his loyalty originate. And once you see it that way, the distinction this job post is trying so hard to draw — “not a trading company, not a middleman” — mostly disappears. A trading company is at least honest about which side it’s standing on.

    Can the same person be your auditor and their salesman?

    This is where the job post asks for something close to impossible: on-site factory auditing, pre-shipment inspection, objective quality verification — performed by someone whose main asset is a standing relationship with that same factory.

    Ask yourself plainly whether that’s a realistic expectation. An inspector who needs to stay on good terms with a factory to keep his network valuable is not positioned to flag that same factory’s welds, coatings, or wall-thickness variance without hesitation. Independence and dependency don’t coexist well in the same person. This is the real reason a comparative matrix of “vetted suppliers” from a network-dependent agent so often turns out to be a matrix of the agent’s own regular partners, dressed up as market research.

    So what actually fixes this?

    Two things. Neither is complicated, but both go against the instinct that produced this job post in the first place.

    First: stop looking for someone with a factory network to borrow. Build a relationship instead. There’s a real difference between hiring a sourcing agent and renting a salesman’s contact list, and it’s not a matter of degree — it’s a different starting point entirely. If you hire an agent whose job is to represent your interests, the relationship with the factory should originate from your order, your requirements, your ongoing business — with you as its owner. If instead you’re borrowing someone else’s pre-existing network, that relationship started somewhere else, for someone else, and no amount of good intentions moves its center of gravity to you. You can’t audit your way out of a starting position. You have to choose the right one from day one.

    Second, and this is the part almost nobody talks about: once you’ve chosen a sourcing agent you actually trust, don’t go around them. Visit the factory with your agent — that’s exactly what a good one is for, and you should insist on it. But don’t contact the factory directly behind your agent’s back, and don’t let the factory reach you directly either.

    This sounds like a minor etiquette point. It isn’t. It’s a signaling problem, and it breaks things quietly, months later, in ways that are hard to trace back to their cause. The moment a factory realizes it can reach the client directly, it starts doing exactly that — quoting differently, raising concerns, or pushing changes straight to the client, cutting the agent out of decisions the agent is supposed to be managing. And the moment the agent notices the client talking to the factory without them, something shifts on their side too: they quietly stop feeling fully responsible for what happens next. If there’s a delay, or a defect, or a spec that got missed, there’s now a ready-made explanation — “the client handled that part directly.” Nobody has to lie for this to happen. It happens automatically, because responsibility follows information, and once the information starts flowing around the agent instead of through them, so does the accountability.

    The fix isn’t more trust in the abstract. It’s a single channel. One point of contact, one party accountable for what comes out the other end. That structure is worth more than any clause in a contract, because it’s the thing that makes the contract enforceable in the first place.

    The actual lesson

    Sourcing was never just about who has the factory’s phone number. It’s about whose interests that phone number serves — and who stays on the hook when something goes wrong.

    A job post that lists every quality certification in the book but hires based on factory access has solved the vocabulary problem and left the structural one untouched. The language changed. The incentives didn’t.

    —

    Thomas founded TOM Sourcing after years spent inside the factories most buyers never get to see. TOM Sourcing operates its own office and warehouse in China, holds self-operated import/export status, and has run continuously for over five years — with in-house engineers and QC inspectors who work for the buyer, not the factory.

  • “I Tried Alibaba, But It’s Too Time-Consuming and Confusing” — What This Real Buyer Post Reveals About DIY Sourcing

    “I Tried Alibaba, But It’s Too Time-Consuming and Confusing” — What This Real Buyer Post Reveals About DIY Sourcing

    A few days ago, we came across a sourcing request posted by an Australian entrepreneur. He was launching a folding beach cart — a metal-frame wagon with oxford fabric, 9-inch pneumatic wheels in dark charcoal, a sand-colored basket, his own logo printed on it. An initial order of 100 units, with plans to scale to 300 within six months, and a clear long-term goal: he wanted a supplier who could grow with him into OEM development, not just fill one order and disappear.

    Buried in the middle of his post was one line that stopped us:

    “I have tried on Alibaba but it is becoming very time-consuming and confusing for me so I would love some professional assistance.”

    That sentence is not a failure story. It’s the opposite — it’s someone recognizing the danger before it hits him. But it points at a pattern we’ve watched play out, over and over, for six years: founders trying to build their own supply chain from scratch on Alibaba, and paying for it in ways that go far beyond wasted time.

    Part 1: Why DIY Alibaba Is Harder Than It Looks

    Alibaba looks like a directory. It behaves like a maze.

    The friction starts with the obvious things — language, time zone, cultural gaps in how business gets negotiated in China — but the real difficulty shows up the moment a product needs customization. Look at what this founder actually needed to communicate: a specific wheel tread pattern, an exact charcoal tone, a basket color, precise logo placement, a reference video because words alone couldn’t describe it. That is not a “browse and click order” transaction. It’s a design conversation that requires someone on the other end who understands both the product and the buyer’s intent — and most Alibaba chat threads simply cannot carry that weight.

    Multiply that friction across dozens of supplier messages, most of which go nowhere, and “time-consuming and confusing” starts to look like an understatement.

    Sourcing on Alibaba without a local agent guiding you is like walking through a warzone with no training and no body armor. If you make it through unscathed, it’s not because the path was safe — it’s because you got lucky, and you’re in the minority. Most people don’t make it through unscathed. In six years of doing this, we’ve watched first-time buyers get hit far more often than we’ve watched them walk away clean.

    Part 2: What Happens After You Get Hit — And Why “Fighting Back” Rarely Works

    Here’s the part most buyers don’t find out until it’s too late: even when something goes wrong, there’s usually no good way to fix it.

    The step that gets skipped most often is the simplest one — inspecting the goods in person before a bulk order ships. Budget-constrained founders skip it constantly, telling themselves they’ll deal with problems if they come up. Then problems come up, and there’s nothing left to deal with them with.

    The two most common responses we see are both dead ends:

    • Hiring a lawyer. By the time the legal fees are quoted, they’re often higher than the value of the goods in dispute. Nobody sues over a $4,000 order when the lawyer costs $6,000.
    • Sending someone to negotiate in person. This sounds proactive. In practice, the trading company’s staff simply won’t engage — the person shows up, gets stonewalled, and flies home having accomplished nothing.

    And Alibaba’s Trade Assurance, which is supposed to be the safety net? Experienced sellers already know its limits and structure their terms to sit outside its coverage. Every year, a significant volume of disputes fall into exactly that gap — situations Trade Assurance was designed to prevent but doesn’t actually reach.

    What’s left, more often than any buyer wants to admit, is simply absorbing the loss. For a small brand running on a tight budget, that loss is sometimes the whole business. We’ve watched this exact sequence end more than one company’s story over the past six years, and it’s never a fast or dramatic collapse — it’s a slow bleed that founders don’t see coming until the cash is gone.

    Part 3: What This Australian Founder Got Right

    The value in this buyer’s post isn’t that he avoided a scam. It’s that he recognized the warning signs early and stopped before the damage was done.

    Notice what he actually asked for. He didn’t just want someone to place one order of 100 units. He explicitly flagged that finding a supplier with room for future OEM development was “very important” to him — because he’s already thinking about the second and third generation of this product, not just getting the first batch out the door. That’s a founder thinking like a brand owner, not a one-time buyer.

    The right move, when sourcing starts eating time you don’t have and confidence you can’t afford to lose, isn’t to push through alone. It’s to hand that piece off to someone whose job is exactly that — so you can put your energy back into the things that actually build a brand: product, marketing, and raising the capital to grow.

    Part 4: What to Actually Look for in a Sourcing Partner

    If you’re going to hand off your supply chain to someone else, the standard should be high. A few questions worth asking before you commit to any sourcing partner:

    • Does the founder or lead team actually have hands-on industry experience — real time spent inside factories, real conversations with production managers, ideally an engineering background? This is the one people underrate most, and it shouldn’t be. Without it, an “agent” is just a messenger relaying words back and forth between you and a factory, understanding neither the technical constraints on one side nor your product intent on the other. That gap is where miscommunication, wrong specs, and blown timelines come from.
    • Are they operating on a properly registered business license, or informally, off the books? This sounds like a minor detail, but it isn’t. An agency operating without a compliant license is operating outside the law — and sooner or later, that catches up with them, whether through a tax authority audit or a business registration crackdown. If that happens mid-project, it’s not just their risk. It’s yours too, since your production and your goods are sitting inside their operation when it happens.
    • Do they hold their own registered import/export rights on top of that? This is the layer above basic compliance — not the baseline, but a meaningful plus once the baseline is already covered.
    • Do they have a physical office and warehouse, or is this a one-person operation running out of a laptop and a WeChat account?
    • Have they been operating continuously for five years or more? Sourcing agencies that don’t survive their first few years rarely survive long enough to see your second or third production run.
    • Do they have in-house engineers and QC inspectors — people who actually work for them and answer to them — rather than outsourcing inspection to a third-party service that has no stake in the relationship?

    These aren’t arbitrary criteria, and they aren’t all equal. The first one matters most: without real industry and technical experience, nothing else on this list saves you from an agent who simply can’t bridge the gap between what a factory can build and what you actually need. Licensing compliance comes next — it’s the floor, not the ceiling, and it protects both of you from risk neither side wants. Everything after that — import/export rights, office and warehouse, track record, in-house QC — is what separates a partner built to last from one that’s one bad year away from disappearing.

    Supply chain problems rarely come down to bad luck. They come down to information gaps and execution chains that are too long, with too many hands in between the buyer and the factory floor. Closing that gap is not about working harder on Alibaba. It’s about finding someone who already closed it, and letting them walk the road for you.


    About TOM Sourcing

    TOM Sourcing has been operating since 2020, built on the foundation of co-founder Thomas’s 20+ years in the industry — having toured hundreds of factories and led teams of dozens across manufacturing and quality control. Our team includes in-house engineers and inspectors who vet every product before it ships, along with our own logistics staff and merchandisers who manage the process door-to-door: sourcing, engineering, inspection, and delivery, fully off your plate. We’re registered in the U.S., with our own independent office in Shanghai, China — our warehouse sits right next door, so inspection and packing happen on our own doorstep, not a subcontractor’s. We hold our own import/export operating rights in China. Over six years, we’ve helped brands across the U.S., Europe, and Australia build their own product lines and stable sourcing channels. We’d welcome the chance to work with you.

  • The $15,000 Lesson: Why Contracts and Trade Assurance Won’t Save Your Order

    The $15,000 Lesson: Why Contracts and Trade Assurance Won’t Save Your Order

    Yesterday I came across a dispute posted on a freelance platform. Two days old, several invitations sent to specialists, almost no responses. The details stuck with me, because they represent a pattern I’ve seen play out again and again in sourcing from China.

    A buyer had ordered custom products from a manufacturer in Shandong through a well-known B2B platform’s trade protection program. Before placing the bulk order, both sides signed a contract bearing the manufacturer’s official company seal. The contract included a specific clause: if products arrived broken, the manufacturer would replace or refund them.

    A significant portion of the shipment arrived damaged. Losses exceeded $15,000.

    The manufacturer’s response: transportation damage isn’t our responsibility. Never mind that this exclusion appeared nowhere in the signed contract.

    The platform’s trade protection case was closed — not because the contractual dispute was resolved in the supplier’s favor, but because the filing deadline had simply expired.

    So the buyer was left looking for a Chinese commercial lawyer, a formal demand letter, and possibly litigation. All for a claim that, from a legal standpoint, might cost as much to pursue as it’s worth recovering.

    The paperwork was all there. It still wasn’t enough.

    This case had everything a buyer is told to get: a signed contract, an official seal, a specific damage clause, full documentation, photos, and platform involvement. On paper, this buyer did more due diligence than most.

    And it still wasn’t enough. It’s worth understanding why.

    Trade protection programs protect a process, not your product. These programs are built around filing windows and platform procedures. Once that window closes, the case is administratively finished — regardless of who was actually at fault. They work reasonably well for small, standardized orders. They were never designed to arbitrate a complex, custom manufacturing dispute.

    A contract documents an agreement. It doesn’t enforce quality during production. A contract tells you what was promised. It says nothing about what happened on the factory floor between deposit and shipment. By the time damaged goods are on a boat or in a warehouse, the contract’s only remaining use is as evidence in a dispute you didn’t want to be having — one that now requires legal fees, months of time, and an uncertain outcome.

    Where the real failure happens

    The actual point of failure is almost never the contract. It’s everything between raw material sourcing, production, assembly, packaging, and container loading — the stretch where nobody outside the factory is watching.

    This isn’t a claim that factories are dishonest. It’s a claim about incentives. When a factory hits a problem mid-production — a bad batch of raw material, a packing shortcut to hit a deadline — and there’s no one representing the buyer’s interests on site, the factory will naturally protect itself first. Standards slip a little, then a little more. Nobody decided to cheat the buyer. It just happens, incrementally, when there’s no one there to notice.

    What actually protects you

    The protection isn’t a better contract clause. It’s someone representing your interests at each stage of the supply chain:

    • Before production — verifying the factory is real, licensed, and capable of the order, not a trading company posing as a manufacturer
    • During production — checking in-process, not waiting until the goods are finished to discover a problem
    • Before shipment — inspecting the actual goods against the actual order, not trusting a photo sent by the supplier
    • Throughout — someone whose job is to keep the factory accountable, simply because someone is watching

    One more thing worth saying plainly: a sourcing agent who’s quietly aligned with the factory rather than with you is worse than having no agent at all. The only party whose incentives are structurally aligned with yours is one who works for you, not one who also takes a cut from the supplier.

    The takeaway

    None of this means custom manufacturing in China is too risky to pursue. It means the real safeguard isn’t the paperwork you sign before production — it’s the oversight that happens during it. Prevention is cheaper, faster, and far more reliable than a legal claim after the fact.

  • The Invisible Fortress of Factory Supply Chains: Why the More Unique Your Product Is, the More You Need to Go Around the Factory

    The Invisible Fortress of Factory Supply Chains: Why the More Unique Your Product Is, the More You Need to Go Around the Factory

    A Counterintuitive Truth to Start With

    Here’s a paradox nobody tells you when you start sourcing: the MOQ a factory quotes you often has nothing to do with what the factory itself can actually produce.

    We’ve seen this play out on a single electronics order. Ask the factory for 100 units, no branding, and they’ll say yes without blinking — 200 units, same answer. Ask for the exact same product with the client’s logo printed on it, and the MOQ suddenly jumps to 500 units, no negotiation.

    Same factory. Same product. Same production line. The only thing that changed was one small request — and the number moved 5x.

    That tells you the “500” was never really the factory’s number in the first place. It’s a number the factory inherited from someone else’s supply chain — and passed on to you as if it were their own rule. That’s the core thesis of this piece: a lot of what looks like “the factory’s limit” is actually a limit set two or three steps upstream, quietly rebranded as the factory’s policy because nobody at the factory had a reason to question it.

    What “MOQ” Actually Means Inside a Factory

    Talk to any factory about a specialized process — printing, embroidery, plating, packaging — and you’ll find the same pattern: they don’t do it in-house. They outsource it to one or two go-to vendors, and that vendor’s own setup costs and minimums get quietly adopted as “the factory’s MOQ.”

    That upstream vendor sets a high minimum for their own reasons — screen setup costs, machine changeover time, their own margin targets on small jobs. None of that has anything to do with what the factory can physically produce. But once that number gets fed into the factory’s quote, it becomes gospel. Nobody at the factory revisits it, because the factory’s own profitability doesn’t depend on whether that number is 100 or 500 — their production line runs the same either way.

    This is the part that’s easy to miss: the factory has zero incentive to go fix this for you. Negotiating a smaller minimum with their printing vendor, or sourcing an alternative vendor who’ll do smaller runs, is extra work that benefits the client, not the factory’s bottom line. So the path of least resistance is just to pass the number through and let you deal with it.

    Case Study: Why a 100-Unit Order Becomes a 500-Unit Order the Moment a Logo Gets Involved

    Here’s the real scenario, unpacked. A client sourcing an electronics product asks for 100 units — no problem, factory confirms immediately. They ask for 200 — still fine. Then they ask for the same product with their logo silk-screened on — and the factory comes back with a flat “500 minimum, that’s our supplier’s requirement.”

    Peel that back and there are three layers stacked on top of each other:

    1. The 500 belongs to the printing supplier, not the factory. Silk-screen setup has real fixed costs — screens, calibration, changeover time — and the printing vendor spreads that cost across a minimum run size to make it worth their while. That number reflects the printing vendor’s economics, not the electronics factory’s.
    2. The factory has no reason to push back on it. Whether your logo order is 100 units or 500, the factory’s own margin on the base product barely moves. Renegotiating the printing MOQ, or scouting an alternative decoration vendor who’ll do smaller runs, takes effort with no payoff for them — so they just relay the number as if it’s fixed.
    3. Nobody at the factory has ever asked “who else could do this?” The printing vendor is the one they’ve always used. Finding a smaller, more flexible decoration partner means vetting someone new, which is friction the factory has no reason to absorb on your behalf.

    The uncomfortable truth underneath all three: the “500” isn’t a wall. It’s a habit that never got questioned — because questioning it wasn’t the factory’s job to do.

    Why the Factory Will Never Fix This for You

    This is the ceiling that brands consistently misread. It’s not that the factory is being difficult, and it’s not that 500 is technically required to make your product. It’s that the factory’s organization was never set up to go hunting for a better answer on your behalf — because doing so costs them time and returns them nothing.

    Put simply: the factory passes the constraint through. It doesn’t own the constraint, and it has no reason to solve it.

    A Different Logic: How We Build Supply Chains

    This is exactly the gap a sourcing agent is built to close. Our job isn’t to accept the number the factory hands us — it’s to trace it back to its actual source.

    In the case above, that means going past the electronics factory entirely and asking: who is actually setting this 500-unit floor? Once we identify that it’s the printing vendor’s own setup economics — not any real limitation on the finished product — we have two paths: negotiate directly with that vendor for a smaller run, or bring in an alternative decoration supplier who’s set up for exactly this kind of smaller, custom-branded order.

    Either way, the outcome is the same: the 500-unit “requirement” collapses back down to something much closer to the 100–200 units the client actually needed.

    One line captures the difference: a factory’s supply chain is built to serve its own convenience. Ours is built to serve your order size.

    Why Brands End Up Choosing This Model

    Strip away the pitch and it comes down to this: most “hard limits” quoted by a factory are actually soft limits belonging to someone else in the chain — and nobody at the factory is incentivized to trace them back and take them apart. We are.

    A factory optimizes around the vendors it already has. A brand needs a supply chain optimized around the order it’s actually trying to place. Those are two different jobs, and conflating them is exactly what keeps MOQs artificially high for small and mid-size buyers.

    Real flexibility was never something a factory hands you by default. It comes from someone going upstream, finding the actual bottleneck, and rebuilding around it — deliberately, for your order, every time.

    The Bottom Line

    The pattern holds across categories: a quoted MOQ is rarely the factory’s true ceiling. More often, it’s a number the factory absorbed from an upstream vendor and never had a reason to challenge — because challenging it costs them effort and pays them nothing. The moment someone actually traces that number back to its source, it usually turns out to be far more negotiable than the factory ever let on.

    That tracing work is the entire value of a sourcing agent — and it’s exactly what opens the door for small and mid-size buyers who’d otherwise be priced out by a minimum that was never really about them in the first place.

    Get in touch with our team to trace down what’s really setting your MOQ — and see how much room there actually is.

  • We Don’t Compete on Price. Here’s Why That’s the Best Thing for Your Supply Chain.

    We Don’t Compete on Price. Here’s Why That’s the Best Thing for Your Supply Chain.

    Let’s start with something that might sting a little.

    If your business model is buying socks from a wholesale website and reselling them on a retail platform, hoping to make money on the margin — we are probably not the right partner for you.

    That’s not a judgment. It’s an honest assessment of fit. And it’s the kind of thing a serious sourcing partner should tell you upfront, rather than take your money and let you find out later.

    Here’s why.


    The Price Transparency Trap

    The internet did something irreversible to product pricing: it made it visible to everyone, everywhere, simultaneously.

    For consumers, that sounds like a win. For anyone trying to build a business on arbitrage — buying cheap in one place and selling at a markup in another — it’s a structural problem that gets worse over time, not better.

    When prices are visible, competition is automatic. When competition is automatic, margins compress. When margins compress, the pressure flows upstream — to suppliers, factories, and every link in the supply chain.

    And here’s what happens when that pressure reaches the factory floor.


    What Gets Cut When the Price Gets Cut

    Every production run has what we’d call necessary redundancy built into the cost structure — buffers that exist for good reasons.

    They absorb defect rates. They protect against raw material price swings. They cover the operational friction that shows up in any real manufacturing environment: a machine that needs adjustment, a batch that runs slightly short, a worker learning a new process.

    When a buyer pushes hard enough on price, these buffers disappear.

    And when the buffers disappear, the factory faces a choice: absorb the loss, or find somewhere else to cut.

    Most small and mid-size factories — the ones that make up the overwhelming majority of China’s manufacturing base — cannot absorb significant losses. One or two bad orders can threaten the whole operation. So they protect themselves. They find ways to reduce their actual cost of production that weren’t in the original specification.

    They don’t do this because they’re dishonest. They do it because they’re human. And if you were in their position, facing the same choice, you would do the same thing.

    This is not a theory. It’s what we see in the field, repeatedly, when buyers come to us after a price-driven sourcing experiment has gone wrong.


    What a Sourcing Agent Actually Does

    A good sourcing agent’s first job is not to find you the lowest price.

    It’s to understand whether your business model can actually support the cost of a real supply chain.

    Consider the economics of moving goods from China to the United States:

    A single cubic meter shipped via LCL (less-than-container-load) sea freight — properly documented, compliant customs clearance on both ends, delivery to a Midwest US city — costs approximately $600–$900.

    A 40-foot high cube container (68 cubic meters), the same route, the same compliance standards: approximately $6,000–$9,000 total, or $88–$132 per cubic meter.

    That’s a difference of six to seven times the per-unit freight cost.

    Every link in the supply chain has its own version of this calculation. Factory overhead. Quality control. Packaging. Inspection. Freight forwarding. Customs clearance. Last-mile delivery. Each of these exists because real people are doing real work, and that work costs money.

    The only honest path to lower unit costs is volume. When order quantities are large enough — and consistent enough — the marginal cost at each stage of the supply chain begins to fall. Freight becomes more efficient. Factory workers build proficiency on a production line they run continuously. Defect rates drop as processes stabilize. Suppliers offer better material pricing because the relationship is worth protecting.

    This is the virtuous cycle that serious brands build toward. It doesn’t happen overnight, and it doesn’t happen at any price.


    Why Scale Changes Everything

    Think about what happens when a factory runs the same production line, for the same product, for the same buyer, month after month.

    Worker proficiency increases. Setup time becomes a smaller fraction of total production time. Quality issues that show up in the first run get identified and corrected before the second. The cost of each unit produced falls — not because anyone cut corners, but because efficiency compounds.

    This is why large companies have structural cost advantages that have nothing to do with negotiating harder. They buy more. They buy consistently. The supply chain reorganizes around that consistency, and the economics reflect it.

    For a smaller brand, the path to those economics runs through building the right supply chain relationships — not through squeezing on price.

    A field of watermelons that costs $1 per kilogram at the farm sells for $5 per kilogram at the neighborhood fruit shop. A product that costs $1 in China sells for $6 in the United States. This isn’t markup for its own sake. It’s the accumulated cost of every person, every process, and every kilometer between the source and the shelf.

    The supply chain doesn’t shrink because you ask it to. It shrinks when volume gives it a reason to.


    What This Means for You

    Every company — regardless of size — faces supply chain risk. Large companies have more tools, more options, and more leverage to manage it. Small and mid-size companies don’t.

    Which is exactly why the sourcing partner you choose matters more, not less, when you’re operating at smaller scale.

    We build supply chains that are reliable, stable, and quality-consistent. We manage that consistency across sourcing, product development, quality control, and logistics. We tell clients when their business model needs to evolve before their supply chain can deliver what they’re hoping for.

    We don’t compete on price. We compete on outcomes.

    If that’s the kind of supply chain you’re trying to build, let’s talk.


    Tom Sourcing is a US-registered sourcing company with its own office and warehouse in China. We provide end-to-end sourcing, product development, quality control, and supply chain management for US and EU brands.

  • We Asked 40+ Alibaba Suppliers One Question. The Answer Told Us Everything That’s Wrong With How Most Brands Source From China.

    We Asked 40+ Alibaba Suppliers One Question. The Answer Told Us Everything That’s Wrong With How Most Brands Source From China.

    We were building a supply chain for a US client with a specific requirement: the supplier needed a particular certification. Not a nice-to-have. A hard requirement that would determine whether the product could be sold in their market at all.

    So we started where most people start. Alibaba.

    We contacted over 40 suppliers. Only 3 had the certification.

    And when we dug deeper, none of those 3 had it in any meaningful sense.

    One of them was candid enough to tell us the truth: almost all of their clients use this certification as a marketing tool. A talking point. A badge on the website. Not something that could actually trace the supply chain the way the certification was designed to do.

    That conversation told us something we already suspected — but had now confirmed with data.

    Alibaba is not where China’s best manufacturers are.


    The Certification Trail That Led Us Somewhere Else Entirely

    We didn’t stop at Alibaba. We went directly to the certification body’s official database and searched from the other direction — starting with the certified companies and working backwards.

    What we found was a completely different world.

    The companies that held genuine, traceable versions of this certification were almost all large-scale manufacturers. Provincial leaders in their category. Suppliers to Walmart, Costco, and major international retail groups. The kind of operations that run at volumes most importers can’t imagine.

    Almost none of them were on Alibaba.

    Many didn’t have websites. Contact information was difficult to find. Of the 10 we selected to approach, several had disconnected phone numbers. Others simply didn’t answer.

    These companies are not hiding. They are just not looking for you.


    Why the Best Factories Don’t Need Alibaba

    Think about it from their perspective.

    A factory supplying Walmart or Costco is running at near-full capacity, year-round. Their production schedules are locked months in advance. Their relationships with buyers were built over years, often through in-person introductions, trade associations, or industry referrals.

    An Alibaba inquiry from an unknown foreign buyer — typically for a small initial order, with no established relationship, requiring samples and back-and-forth negotiation — is not an opportunity for them. It’s an interruption.

    You cannot find Apple’s iPhone suppliers on Alibaba. You cannot find Volkswagen’s component manufacturers there. You cannot find the factories behind the products on Walmart’s shelves.

    The reason is simple: those factories don’t need what Alibaba offers.


    The Two Sides of the Alibaba Coin

    Alibaba has built something genuinely useful. For buyers who need to source standard products quickly, compare prices, and work with suppliers who are experienced in handling small international orders, the platform works.

    But it is a coin with two sides.

    Side one: Access to thousands of suppliers, fast communication, and a familiar process for smaller orders.

    Side two: A marketplace where homogeneous products compete almost entirely on price, where information asymmetry heavily favors sellers, and where the buyers who think they’re getting a deal are often walking into a trap they don’t see until something goes wrong.

    The suppliers who live on Alibaba — and many of them do, quite literally, depend on it for survival — pay significant annual listing fees. They buy traffic. They run promotions. They undercut each other to win inquiries. Margins compress to the point where the only way to survive is to cut costs somewhere — and the somewhere is usually quality, materials, or honesty about what they actually are.

    The consistent winner in this system is Alibaba itself.

    The consistent losers are the small and mid-size suppliers trapped in a race to the bottom — and the buyers who don’t realize they’re participating in one.


    What AI-Assisted Sourcing Actually Looks Like

    We also ran searches using AI tools to find certified suppliers in this category.

    The results were extensive. They were also largely useless.

    Contact information was outdated. Company profiles described operations that no longer existed or had changed significantly. Every lead required individual verification. The AI had aggregated a large volume of information — but information ages, and in Chinese manufacturing, things change fast. A factory that was a tier-one supplier three years ago might have pivoted, scaled down, or closed. The AI didn’t know.

    AI is a useful starting point for research. It is not a substitute for someone who knows the market and can verify information on the ground.


    How You Actually Find the Right Factory

    The supply chain we were building for our US client required a different approach entirely — one that most importers don’t have access to unless they have the right people in the right place.

    It starts with knowing where to look beyond the obvious platforms. Industry associations. Certification bodies. Trade publications. Referral networks built over years of on-the-ground relationships. These channels surface suppliers that Alibaba will never show you.

    It continues with direct outreach — in Chinese, through the right channels, with an understanding of how these manufacturers prefer to be approached. A cold email in English from an unknown foreign address goes nowhere. A credible introduction through a trusted intermediary is a different conversation entirely.

    And it requires physical verification. The factories worth working with are the ones that don’t perform for cameras — they perform for auditors who know what to look for.

    This is the work that happens before a single order is placed. It’s invisible to most buyers. It’s the difference between a supply chain that holds and one that falls apart at the first point of stress.


    What This Means for Your Sourcing Strategy

    If you are building a supply chain based primarily on Alibaba searches, you are working with a subset of Chinese manufacturing that was selected, in large part, by its willingness to compete on price on a public platform.

    That is a legitimate starting point for some products and some buyers.

    It is not a strategy for finding the best manufacturer for a specific, quality-dependent requirement.

    The factories you actually want — the ones with real certifications, real capacity, and real accountability — are often invisible to a buyer working from overseas. They are not invisible to someone who knows where to look and has the relationships to open the right doors.

    That’s what we do.

    If you have a sourcing requirement that goes beyond what a platform search can answer, let’s talk.


    Tom Sourcing is a US-registered sourcing company with its own office and warehouse in China. We provide end-to-end sourcing, product development, quality control, and supply chain management for US and EU brands.